From: firstname.lastname@example.org (David Gerard) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Helena Kobrin complaint about song Date: 28 Aug 1995 16:23:45 +1000 Organization: Prestige Elite Research Church of the SubGenius Lines: 80 Message-ID: <email@example.com> References: <001303Z16081995@anon.penet.fi> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cougar.vut.edu.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] ::Let's face it, Helena: if you're going to be the legal point woman for the ::Church <spit> of $cientology, and you're going to be quoted by the AP and ::the New York Times on stories having to do with $cientology, then you, by ::damn, are a public figure. And as we both know (or as I know, and as you ::should know), it is next to impossible to libel a public figure. You ::have to show malice aforethought. That's such a difficult task that ::Jerry Falwell, when he sued Hustler magazine, tried to prove intentional ::infliction of emotional distress, rather than libel. Well, the Supreme ::Court didn't allow that either. Here's the letter she sent to my postmaster. There's a somewhat better writer lurking in there than we may have expected. Is there anyone out there who *knows* about the weird and complicated task of interfacing Australian and American law? The assertion that I had e-mailed such a letter are false. Nor do I remember actually posting the thing ... In fact, I didn't even have a copy of the song here until my postmaster gave me a copy of hkk's letter. Your demolitions of this letter are welcomed. Cc: good ones to the postmaster too, if you like. -----begin excerpt----- From firstname.lastname@example.orgMon Aug 14 16:36:40 1995 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Helena Kobrin <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org.EDU.AU Subject: Defamatory posting Dear Postmaster, I am a member of the State Bar of California and The Florida Bar. Your user, David Gerard (email@example.com), has e- mailed me the message set forth at the bottom of this post, which he also posted to a Usenet newsgroup. This person is apparently e-mailing me an anonymous posting made by another. Besides being utterly offensive and abusive to both me and my clients, this posting is *seriously* defamatory to both me and my clients. I will not go into all the specifics of this, as there are many. Suffice it to say that as a minimum example, accusing an attorney of being a criminal is libel per se. Not only the initial publisher of the libel, but also those who republish it, are guilty of this tort. I am requesting that you contact your user and warn him that complaint has been made of his posting and that he is to cease from further such postings, and also that I am not interested in receiving his unsolicited and offensive e-mail. I doubt seriously that it is the intent of your educational system to support such abusive use of the Internet. I look forward to your response in this matter. Sincerely, Helena K. Kobrin ----- end excerpt ----- -- Reverend Doctor David Gerard, KoX, SP4.02 Prestige Elite Research Church of the SubGenius "Servicing the Prestige Elite since 1985!" OK, clams. You want war? You've got war. -- Please email important followups (crappy and constipated newsfeed). Personal visits from Scientologists will be greeted with extreme hostility and the vigilant attention of VUT Security, but personal physical violence *only* when appropriate, legal and called-for. Rev Dr David Gerard, VUT SRC Footscray NoName. firstname.lastname@example.org (preferred); email@example.com July 5, 1998, 7 AM. Saucers. End of the world. Your US$30 is your trip ticket.